Mieke Mosmuller

12-09-2020 5 comments Print!

This video discusses the scientific view of the difference between a bacterium and a virus. Bacteria are themselves cells with the ability to multiply and they have their own metabolism, but they are parasites, i.e. they need a breeding ground in order to survive. A virus is not a cell, it is a piece of DNA or RNA, a single or double strand with only a protein mantle around it. A virus needs the entire cellular functioning of its host in order to survive, i.e. both its ability to multiply and its metabolism.

This differentiation should be deepened in our thinking about it, to get an idea of the real difference. The true understanding of infectious diseases can only be found if you dare to think the other way round. Croaking frogs don't cause the rain, but react to the rain with croaking. Examples of the wrong care of the virus.Watch video on YouTube

Mieke Mosmuller

Yes, then back today to the question of what is actually a virus. And if we want to look a little deeper than just at what science tells us, then we must still first know to some extent what science actually tells us. And that is why I have refreshed my knowledge. And you can actually say that a virus is very different in relation to a bacterium. Because a bacterium that lives thanks to the abilities of its host, a bacterium is a parasite, cannot live outside of a host. But a virus does not only live thanks to the products of a host, but a virus penetrates into the cell, sometimes even into the nucleus, and uses there not only the already produced substances, which the human being produces, but the producing itself is provided by the host, and that is something completely different. So a bacterium is a parasite, but a virus goes much further. A virus does not have the possibility to be there on its own, not even in a host, because a virus has only one nucleic acid available, small or large, long, RNA, or DNA, and that is all it is. Around it we then find a protein coat, but otherwise the virus itself has nothing available and has to use the host's abilities entirely.

That is the scientific conclusion. And it is now known that there are several classes of viruses, the viruses that have DNA as a being, you could say, they really penetrate into the nucleus of the cell, and the viruses that have RNA as a being, and they usually do not penetrate into the nucleus, so they stay in the cytoplasm. And then there are viruses with two-stranded DNA and also viruses with one strand, viruses with two-stranded RNA and also viruses with only one strand. That is more or less the definition that you find in modern university textbooks.

And you can say, yes, then I know that. I think that most students don't go any further than that, that they try to remember that, that they try to keep it in their minds, and that's it. But if you have the question, what is a virus really, you can of course go further, and that is that you don't just think about these different characteristics of bacteria and viruses, but that you think them thouroughly, that you imagine them, not only think and say now I know that, but that you form afterwards ideas about what it is when we have a parasite inside us that has cell processes itself, bacteria, or a parasite that does not have these cell processes itself and really has to live inside our cells, and even some viruses not only live inside the cell but really live in the nucleus.At the same time I publish on my page Philosophical Reflections a lecture from 2018, which I gave in Arnhem at that time. And this lecture is about the essence of the human being and his DNA. At that time I tried to delve into this DNA, into what it really is. And yes, you have to have this basic knowledge if you want to know what a virus actually is. Because if you do not know what DNA and RNA are, then you do not understand these viruses.

I also tried to point out that you cannot see DNA and RNA with your eyes at all, that you need an electron microscope for this and that this problem arises, which I also discussed last time, that it is a translation of reality and that you always have to ask yourself to what extent this translation, which is also done with the help of a computer programme, is really correct.

So when we see pictures of viruses, we are dealing with animations and not with facts. So you have to say to yourself again and again that you don't really know how these are, these living beings, or are they only half living molecules, and you have to say to yourself that you can't really perceive this with your eyes.

The question is, what are we actually dealing with? And this question can only be solved if we do what I have just said, namely imagine, not so much figuratively, but imagine the difference between bacteria and viruses. And if you do that intensively enough, then you get an idea that we are dealing with something quite different in the world of viruses than in the world of bacteria. I can then go into this further next time. But I would like to start by looking at another side of the problem.

For me, Rudolf Steiner is the spiritual teacher, you can see that here, he stands behind me with all his work, and that is really the case. I know that he was not a racist, I have described this in detail in my book The living Rudolf Steiner. And you can actually say, how do people manage to live without spiritual knowledge, that is really a big question for me, I would like to say that first. And then of course, in this crisis in which we are now, I have often sought refuge in the work of Rudolf Steiner. And he has said various things about microorganisms. The difference between bacteria and viruses was not yet so clear, at that time, it was still in the making, it was yet to come, so he talks mainly about bacteria and bacilli, and when he talks about bacilli, you get the impression that they might be viruses. So he talks about influenza bacilli. Yes, we know by now that these are viruses, for, of course, we are dealing with a spiritual science, from a century ago.

But nevertheless, there are certain general points of view in it, and which, yes, I would actually like all people to be able to absorb. For example, he gave lectures for the workers at the Goetheanum who built the building there, and they were invited to ask Rudolf Steiner questions, and he gave very interesting answers. And he also talks about the micro-organisms and then says, I wouldn't say that they are not there. Of course they are there, science can prove that they are there. The question is, does the disease come from the micro-organisms, or is it something else? And then he makes a comparison and says that when it rains, the frogs croak. You wouldn't say that by the croaking of the frogs it starts to rain. But I think that's what they say about infectious diseases. There are micro-organisms in the body and it is thought that they detect that they are there, that this is what causes the disease. No, says Rudolf Steiner, you actually have to learn to think the other way round, the body is already not healthy and these micro-organisms feel good in a body that is not healthy. This is a kind of wellness for them, they find it wonderful to be there, and that is why they multiply in a joyful way. So this is a turn of the points of view.

And that is something we can learn again and again from the spiritual point of view, that we take the courage to see things the other way around, you can just dare to do that and see what comes out, you have not left your science.

This is how Rudolf Steiner spoke to the workers at the Goetheanum. And then there's also, there are many more lectures and I will always bring some of them back with me over time, but then there's a lecture where he talks about these microorganisms and then in relation to the modern world view, and he says: Just as people believed in ghosts in the Middle Ages, they now believe in microorganisms. In both cases, faith is justified, because ghosts exist and micro-organisms exist, but you invite them by being afraid. This was the case with ghosts, it is the case with bacteria, and it is also the case with viruses.

And then he says that the worst thing we can do is to go to sleep in the evening with materialistic thoughts and ideas. That ruins the body in a certain sense. And then when you wake up in the morning, you will have found back a body that is not as healthy as it was yesterday. And so you become susceptible to micro-organisms, that is one thing, so you should avoid fear.

But the other thing, he says, and this teaches us something at this time, is that you should not take care of the micro-organisms either. Yes, of course, it goes without saying that one does not want to do that. But, as he says, you actually do it, you do it because when you are in an epidemic, you constantly fill your consciousness with ideas about the disease. What have we been through in the last six months,? Only Corona!

That is what I want to bring up this time. And I hope next time to continue with the question, what a virus is and then to gradually move on to the question, what a corona virus is. I will then add these relativising points of view from the spiritual sciences, so that we can perhaps get used to not really thinking from here to there, but also to coming the other way round, to dare to think things the other way round.

Micro-organisms by Mieke Mosmuller

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  • From Wmh @
    Het blijft een boeiend onderwerp !
    R steiner refereert ook wel naar wat wij de ‘terreingeneeskunde’ noemen , hij heeft het over het zogenaamde vuile stoffen die in ons waterige deel oplossen ,of ‘griepvuil ‘ wat aan een orgaan zoals de hersenen kan blijven hangen ,want griep begint als een hersenaandoening , een soort van verlamming nabij de oogzenuw .
    De bacillen komen daar op af omdat dezen zich daar op goede bodem ( terrein) voelen .Men krijgt een dof , wazig hoofd , en dat zakt dan naar beneden in het ruggemerg en vandaar via de zenuwen naar de ledematen ,wat pijnen geeft en dan bij een gevorderde verwikkeling kunnen ook de longen en buikvlies aangetast worden door ontstekingen .
    Claude Bernard heeft dat ook gebracht in zijn studies .
    Pasteur had een tijdgenoot met een heel andere visie, Claude Bernard. Bernard is de grondlegger van wat je de “terreingeneeskunde” zou kunnen noemen. Hij geloofde wel dat bacteriën ziekten veroorzaken, maar alleen als het “terrein” daarvoor gunstig is.
  • From Wmh @
    De coronagriep was er al in 2016

  • From @
    gerade was ich suchte von Steiner bei Ihnen gefunden !!!! Sie selber sind auch wunderbare entdeckung fuer mic, Ich habe niemals Zeit, pflege invalidiesierte ohne notwendigw Hilfe. vortrag vonm 1916 1 januar, plus vergleich Mittelalters angst vor gespenstern, und dann Ihre einsicht was ist virus , dna sie sind auch pedagoge , sowas verstehe ich nicht wenn traditionell erklärt, I would need some quotations and texts in English , Italian women are wide awake because ready to protect their children and as it seems spiritually more prepared than ever so brilliant and intrepid pensatori eretici to translate knowledge into action so as to gain piattaforma for continuing ricerca della Verita¨, warm regards Mieke, isabella diana
    • From Mieke Mosmuller @
      All Texts also have been translated in English, you can click on the 3 points in the right corner above in the video and choose the subtitles. The blog texts also have English versions, to be chosen by the flags... I hope that helps!
  • From Fons @
    Ik weet dat er mensen ziek worden van een virus maar de uitwerking is per persoon nogal afwijkend. Voor de meeste mensen zijn de gevolgen niet meer dan bij een gewone griep of soms zelfs nog minder maar bij sommige mensen zijn de gevolgen echt ernstig. Logische gevolgtrekking is dan mijns inziens dat deze mensen een verzwakt immuunsysteem hebben. Het menselijk immuunsysteem beschikt over 2 verdedigingslinies. De eerste is het aspecifieke systeem dat met witte bloedcellen alle lichaamsvreemde indringers en ontstekingen aanpakt. Daarnaast hebben we het adaptieve systeem dat reageert op herkenning. Dit is waarom vaccinatie werkt en waarom je niet meer ziek wordt na een eerdere besmetting. Normaal zou de eerste lijn in staat moeten zijn om een virus zoals corona op te ruimen. Dat dit nu niet gebeurt ligt aan de aantasting van het immuunsysteem bij veel mensen. Dat wordt veroorzaakt door het rouleaux effect. Dit effect veroorzaakt klontering van rode bloedcellen onder invloed van elektromagnetische velden zoals van wifi, dect, gsm straling, tl verlichting en alle elektrische apparaten en kabels in je directe omgeving. Hierdoor kan het bloed niet meer genoeg zuurstof opnemen, afvalstoffen afvoeren en ook niet meer door de kleine haarvaten stromen, verstoppingen tot gevolg. Dit is precies wat we zien bij corona patiënten. Ook kunnen hierdoor de witte bloedcellen hun werk niet meer doen, ze verliezen hun scanfunctie. Een virus krijgt zo vrij spel. Wat gebeurt er met corona patiënten? Die gaan naar het ziekenhuis waar nog veel meer straling aanwezig is als thuis. De situatie verergerd daar juist. En daar weten ze niets van deze problematiek. Dat blijkt uit al het contact dat ik gehad heb met virologen en andere wetenschappers.
    Dit effect is te zien op de site van dr. Magda Havas phd, en ook interessant om te bekijken is de lezing van dr. Devra Davis, the truth about mobile phone and wireless radiation. Er kleven grote nadelen aan al onze moderne communicatiemiddelen maar dat wordt ons niet verteld. En nu is het gevolg dat we in een wereldwijde pandemie zijn geraakt en wie hebben daar het meeste voordeel van? Precies, de veroorzakers ervan.